Comments on: Roads: State of the Union https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Tue, 01 Feb 2011 02:23:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Patrick Waltmeister https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1250 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:38:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1250 Oh, I just read your post. And to be honest, I really understand you. I guess it’s really a question about time. But please don’t forget about this site. But instead let it grow as you say.

Thanks anyway Ben and keep up on the great work!

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By: Patrick Waltmeister https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1251 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:33:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1251 Really sorry for making a doublepost here, but check out London in OSM. I would just dream of flying there. But seriously, the detail and quantity seems outstanding!

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By: Benjamin Supnik https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1252 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:31:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1252 Hi Patrick,

First of all, no OSM in the next render. That can’t change – the render is by date, that is, we will cut what we have with whatever improvement we have … given the complexity of including new vector sources, I would have had to be working on OSM months ago, which I wasn’t. (I admit, the last time I looked at OSM was not months ago, but rather years ago, but this turns out to be moot – see below.)

I am not saying we will NEVER have OSM…but I am saying it is not, in its current level, appropriate for a render now. It will get better — and when it does, we’ll use it.

I think the ideas behind OSM are really great, and the progress they’ve made is very impressive.

But I’ve spent a few minutes browsing the database, and it doesn’t take long to find big gaps in coverage. The problem is with the patterns — you might find a neighborhood within a city where the roads just aren’t there…or a major arterial highway just stops 20 miles outside a city.

It’s these kinds of _inconsistencies_ in _quality_ that make OSM inappropriate for global scenery right now (but a possibly beneficial use for custom scenery).

Remember that any conflict or problem with the data in global scenery must be resolved completely by computer program, not by humans…VMAP0 (road data outside the US) is really awful…but it’s _always_ awful, and that means that whenever the SWBD data and VMAP0 data conflict, we know exaclty what to do (trust SWBD over VMAP).

It looks to me like OSM coverage isn’t adequate to throw out VMAP0, but the coverage isn’t consistent enough to blend them (blending vectors is very hard).

So we’ll get there someday, probably first with custom scenery and then even with global, but not for the next render which will happen relatively soon.

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By: Patrick Waltmeister https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1253 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:21:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1253 But don’t you think its better than what we have outside the US at the moment? To me it looks like an awsome idea. I mean, it’s not like there will be -fewer- roads in the future OSM, but rather the opposite!

I really feel that whatever is better than what we have now outside US is well worth looking into.
Please Ben.. I’m begging you 🙂 I live outside US and I have for more than half a decade wished for a better roadsystem.

Regards,
Pat

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By: Benjamin Supnik https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1254 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:56:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1254 OSM will be a great resource some day, but I don’t think it contains enough data yet to be used for global scenery.

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By: Patrick Waltmeister https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1255 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:38:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1255 Oh my god, this is a great idea! If we could have a talk with those over there, we might actually have global roads!

Please Ben, please look into this as a mighty solution!

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By: Josh W https:/2007/10/roads-state-of-the-union/#comment-1256 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:14:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=445#comment-1256 http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ?

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