Comments on: Instaling to the Desktop (Let’s Start a Riot) https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:58:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Benjamin Supnik https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1078 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:41:25 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1078 Please file a bug report.

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By: Anonymous https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1079 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:37:16 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1079 Here's a fresh opinion on the installer from a new user of x-plane9. I am a 23-year IT professional and just installed x-plane9 to I:\programs\x-plane. The installer crashed when scanning scenery, after which on a second attempt to rev to the latest version to avoid the first problem the update operation of the installer errored out because it mangled the path by appending volume:/dir to the existing install directory resulting in an invalid volume:/dir/volume:/dir path. So my initial conclusion can only be that user understanding of how to use the path is not the root cause of the reported installer problems but rather simple bugs in the installer itself.

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By: romeo oscar bravo https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1080 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:01:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1080 I dunno…. program files is where 99.9% of all downloaded “programs” go , and applications (mac)is also a perfectly logical choice. I respect your need not to answer 10,000 calls from the lost and confused, but I just think thats a part of the game / do what you have to do though, It wont affect the avarage semi-skilled x-plane user very much I woulden’t imagine.

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By: William https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1081 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:25:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1081 well I just switched from a PC after 20 years to a Mac pro desktop and this sounds wonderful because I can not find XP for the life of me.I think I put
it on my desktop but I find in more than one place so this is great news I cant wait

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By: Anonymous https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1082 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:40:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1082 I see from one of your comments, Ben, that you’re aware that defaulting to the Desktop is a “lesser of evils” workaround to the much more fundamental issue of X-Plane not being multiuser-aware. With that in mind, I do agree that the Desktop is probably the safest place for novice users, with the way things currently are.

I really, truly do hope, though, that one of your major goals for the next significant upgrade to X-Plane (9.1? 9.2? hopefully sooner than 10.0) is to completely revamp the filesystem layout of the whole X-System. All modern operating systems are designed to support multiple users, and those users expect their applications to work correctly in these environments.

On my Mac OS X machines, I would love nothing more than to be able to install X-Plane by simply dragging one application icon to my Applications folder (or dragging one folder icon, since there are several other programs besides the sim itself). On first launch, X-Plane could show me a map interface for downloading scenery files off the DVDs, and place all of those files in /Library/Application Support/X-Plane/Scenery. Custom scenery, aircraft models, and the like could all go in either the system or the user’s Application Support folders, depending on the user’s preference. Software updates can be handled by X-Plane itself, as is common practice nowadays. (You can even add a simple sort of “self-repair” or at least self-diagnosis as a menu item in X-Plane, which would check for the most common filesystem layout problems encountered by users. This could be a great “step 1” procedure of any tech support calls, and I bet it’d save a lot of time and headaches.)

I know the software installation paradigms differ between the three major OSes, so I think you need a very generalized abstraction layer between the filesystem layout and X-Plane’s code. Yes, it’s a lot of dirty work which has very little instant gratification, but it’s something that needs to be done eventually, and the sooner it is, the better for you as both programmers and as tech support.

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By: Sevo https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1083 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:24:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1083 I’d really recommend staying with the standard defined for each system. There are too many configuration options that can redefine what and where the “Desktop” may be.

In the long run, support issues caused by disk quota, non-executable or network mounted user homes, the “clean up desktop” tool in Windows or alternative Desktops and Screen Managers will probably outweigh the support benefits of a frontally visible X-Plane folder (if it is visible at all – the amount of desktop clutter I’ve seen at work makes me rather pressimistic).

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By: Benjamin Supnik https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1084 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:16:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1084 Eduardo,

In this case you don’t need to file a bug because it’s already addressed in the 2.0 installer. Generally you should file bugs using the bug report form taht can be found off the contact page on x-plane.com (NOT by posting on this blog!). Blog comments take a while to go through since I have to get around to approving them to prevent spam.

Paploo: I agree that the “whole continent behavior” in the 1.x installers is annoying. Here’s the good news:

1. The new 2.0 installer has a map that lets you select the scenery you want to install (both for an initial install/new install and later as an add/remove scenery operation).

2. The new 2.0 installer IS compatible with DVDs that are already burned using the 1.x installer.

The 2.0 DVD installer will be available for download (mainly for tech support reasons, e.g. if we need to fix a bug).

But you could grab it, run it off the HD and insert a continent disk. It’ll give you the “add/remove global scenery” option and the map will show the particular set of DSF files on that DVD. Pick them in 10×10 clumps.

DVD sets baseed on the 2.0 installer span disks – that is, 1 installer on disk 1 lets you install everything, and it prompts you to change disks.

If you use the new installer with your old disks, you may have to go through several disks to install scenery…the images on the covers show the “region” they cover, but for example if you wanted the US-canadian border you might have to go through two steps with two DVDs to get all the files you want.

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By: Paploo https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1085 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:35:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1085 First: I see no problem with the plan. It makes it easy to support and anyone that knows where they want it can easily set the destination to whatever they want.

Second: Speaking of installers, I was installing more of my global scenery onto my computer, and found myself mildly frustrated that if I wanted, say, just Hawaii, I had to install *all* 9 GB of the South American scenery first, and then remove most of South America (I dumped everything south of the equator in the end)

Sometime in the future, it would be really neat if the installers for a region disc would present you with a clickable map where you can select sub-regions to install. Maybe 10 degree by 10 degree or 5 degree by 5 degree squares that can be selected by the user as necessary.

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By: Benjamin Supnik https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1086 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:10:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1086 Eduardo,

With this installer your home dir will be the default on Linux. I trust LINUX users to know where their home folder is.

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By: Eduardo https:/2008/04/instaling-to-the-desktop-lets-start-a-riot/#comment-1087 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:44:00 +0000 http://www.x-plane.com/dev_blog/?p=367#comment-1087 That’s a great idea, Ben. Just don’t forget that us, Linux users, have a Desktop folder too. The last Beta Installer (124) is installing (by default) at /X-Plane, a folder that most Linux users doesn’t have access.

Still waiting for XSB for Linux…

Eduardo.

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