Comments on: Viewing the Inside of Plane-Maker Geometry is Deprecated https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:42:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Jim Zane https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5538 Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:42:17 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5538 In reply to Ben Supnik.

Thank you Ben for that response. Please don’t misunderstand me, I wasn’t requesting support, merely clarification I was trying to understand how Xplane handles the graphics in the cockpit, with relation to imported geometry and animated texture panel mapping of that object versus the native panel creation through plane maker. I hope this makes some sense. If you would like to correspond by e-mail I am more than happy to do that. I have held aviation close to my heart for more than 50 years and worked with computers for the last 30 before I retired. I say this because I don’t want you to think that I am looking to waste your time I know firsthand how busy and hectic things get when developing applications and answering customer queries such as this so once again I thank you for your patience.
Jim

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5514 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:06:36 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5514 In reply to Jim Zane.

Hi Jim,

I can’t help you with ac3d work-flow problems (and this blog post isn’t really the appropriate place for support requests).

I do intend to update the ac3d plugin to be current to v10; I also plan to submit my mods of the Blenders scripts to Marginal (that’s in my court – he set up GIThub for me and I need to push the changes), as those mods bring his scripts into sync with v10.

There is already a 3ds exporter – see here.

http://www.steptosky.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.0

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By: Jim Zane https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5512 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:52:10 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5512 Chris: I realize during this time that you are as busy as possibly can be. I’ll try to make this brief. While making a cockpit for new payware custom aircraft in 3DS of the extremely highest quality. The entire cockpit was created with all switches and levers, dials, and instruments as a single object with animated geometry. I run into the difficulty of AC3D telling me I can’t use multiple textures in the cockpit object during export, in an attempt to map one of the electronic displays over some of the cockpit geometry created . But if I understand it correctly X-Plane allows 2 textures per cockpit object. So that I can use my master texture and then the panel texture or is this wrong? I cannot use blender and quite frankly am a little perplexed at this whole cockpit texture business I have built each gauge as individually animated objects which works perfectly for steam gauges it’s only when I try to create things such as radar displays and navigation panels I am running into problems any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m not in the habit of asking for help as I usually can figure these things out but I am at a loss on this one. In closing I would also ask if there are any plans for the new version of AC 3-D in the form of a plug-in update. I find it much easier to use than blender and I much prefer doing my geometry and 3DS Max. I would be willing to send you whatever files you would like to look at. Of course the holy Grail for model makers would be a direct plug-in script for 3 DS Max to support X plane directly hint, hint,
Thank you for your time

Jim Zane
JazAero Aviation

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By: Mark Nelson https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5471 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:42:13 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5471 This is going to finally force me to start using .obj, except I can’t quite figure out how.

I have the latest Blender.

I have the scripts from here (after locating the overly subtle download link on the page) and they are installed – I can see X-Plane export.
https://github.com/der-On/XPlane2Blender

I have used Plane Maker to create .obj files from one of my planes.

I seem to be missing the ability to import the X-Plane created .obj files into Blender for editing or instructions on how to do so.

Could somebody please direct me to a current tutorial?

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5468 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:37:27 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5468 In reply to vonhinx.

Uh, you should _never_ use a misc body inside-out to represent a cabin. We’re not taking it away because we didn’t think that that existed. Don’t do that – the physics calculations will be wrong.

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By: vonhinx https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5466 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:59:25 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5466 So you are taking away 2-sided surfaces in Plane Maker used to represent internals, and not an internal, single-sided miscellaneous body used to represent a cabin.

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By: Peter Cole https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5464 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:15:47 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5464 Yay! Finally the the installer has seen that 10.05r1 is not the latest version and I got the beta. Looking forward to seeing your new work 🙂

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5463 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:00:32 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5463 In reply to vonhinx.

Misc bodies _can_ overlap. If they do, they will render correctly from the outside. I don’t know what the physics engine will do; only Austin knows that. In some cases the physics engine understands overlapping and connected bodies and in some cases it does not.

I’m not sure I understand the question about the object. Basically when _any_ two meshes overlap, you will see overlapped geometry. It will render ‘correctly’ if what you want are two intersecting sets of triangles.

The sim will not (and has never) clip out the “interior” of overlapping geometry. In other words, if you were two make two overlapping spheres, we would not make a new, single manifold hull surrounding all points in space that are inside at least one sphere. Instead we would draw both spheres, overlap and all.

But this isn’t really a change in how we darw, it is a change in options. Basically “draw inside of bodies” is the equivalent (using plane-maker built-in drawing) of ATTR_no_cull in an OBJ, and we are taking it away.

Our long term goal is to strip away all of the strange partial measures that were put into Plane-Maker during the X-Plane 6/7 era to try to fake detailed drawing before we had real 3-d attached to Airplanes (via OBJs) with real animation and real modeling programs.

Right now there are a ton of random options that affect drawing, and the resulting code is complex, tweaky, buggy, and a maintenance nightmare. As we try to advance rendering forward to get things like HDR to work better, we don’t want to pay the maintenance tax of keeping the v7 interfaces alive. So we’re slowly starting to deprecate them.

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By: vonhinx https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5462 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:41:24 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5462 So basically, if I understand correctly, miscellaneous bodies cannot go inside another body. What happens when an object, like a flap track fairing modelled in Plane Maker that extends inside a wing or a miscellaneous wing that punctures the fuselage? I take it that that is still valid but the internals may not render correctly.

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2012/07/viewing-the-inside-of-plane-maker-geometry-is-deprecated/#comment-5461 Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:48:04 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=4388#comment-5461 In reply to Murmur.

OBJ geometry!

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