Comments on: Airport Authoring: Taxi Routes Help https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:32:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Ben Supnik https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8125 Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:32:08 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8125 In reply to Ilias Tselios.

For taxi-back, you need to create a taxi route segment that is marked ‘runway’, and labeled with the runway number of the runway it covers. That way X-Plane can do occupancy checks, e.g. you can’t back taxi while a plane is landing on the same runway.

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By: Ilias Tselios https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8118 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:15:11 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8118 In reply to Ben Supnik.

For 1, I had that problem with my airport (single rwy, apron in the middle with 2 short exits to rwy). By putting taxi segments in the runway isn’t that going to create another problem? Where the aircraft will hold short of runway?

To avoid that overshoot, I tried to make the taxi segments to end of rwy and put there the “hold” point, but that was a total failure; aircrafts were taxing on the runway the same time others were taking off / landing.

After a lot of time observing things, I notice that aircrafts accelerate before fully aligned with the runway. That has the result some of them to overshoot or side-slide (although they are doing great job to correct the latter- like WRC drivers!).

I think that the solution could be to have the aircraft to delay the use full throttle until 2 conditions are met; they are on the centerline of the rwy and aligned with the take off heading

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8116 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:49:15 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8116 In reply to carrotroot.

X-Plane’s generator makes a huge number of extra vertices, which makes cleanup not much fun. We looked at other auto-generation algorithms for WED but didn’t find one we liked. Maybe someday we’ll have better generation tech.

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8115 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:48:00 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8115 In reply to anthony_d.

For 1, yes, I think you should put a taxi segment on the runway…generally you’ll always want this so if a plane over-shoots the last turn-off it can get back.

For 2, taxi routes are always generated because the entire ATC system is never off…when you are at an airport ignoring ATC with AI planes off, ATC is there — the controller is playing solitaire and drinking coffee.

(This doesn’t burn much CPU time – the controller work-load is pretty close to zero when he has no airplanes.)

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8114 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:43:21 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8114 In reply to Tonka.

Not originally – in fact, we wrote autogen taxi layouts because we didn’t want the ATC feature to depend on custom data. It is possible that once we get user submitted taxi routes with significant coverage we could disallow AI (or even user flight) without ATC data, or even save the generated taxi routes to apt.dat files so that users can ‘clean’ them with WED (although they are so ugly in terms of stair-stepping that cleaning them might be slower than making one by hand.). But while we’re in the early stages, I think we will keep permitting auto-gen taxi routes.

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By: carrotroot https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8112 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:26:54 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8112 I’ve used WED quite a bit, but I find Taxi and flows to be a whole different beast. Is it possible to have WED throw us a bone and auto-generate some of the taxi way flows for us. So all that’s left is to tweak the pathways? Because it seems like XP10’s taxi path autogenerator seems pretty good it just needs some hand-tuning to iron-out some on the drunk-walking in the auto-gen’d algorithm … yeah you might call it laziness on the scenery developer’s end but hey the algo already exists, including it in WED would be a pretty nice feature me thinks.

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By: Jan https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8111 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:49:38 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8111 Hi,

I am really looking forward to some more coverage of the scenery submission process as right now it seems a little “undefined”. Lots of inaccurate or downright false data getting submitted without the necessary process in place to check that.

As far as taxi-routes go – at this point I can´t get myself to consider using or providing paths for the AI. The current implementation is simply not worth spending time on the AI, and I doubt that the architecture allows it to ever reach a state where anyone will consider it so.

Yes, it can be hilarious to watch the “full fidelity flightmodels” skid off the runway in a huge crosswind – for about 2 minutes. I wish the system had been designed with a more practical use in mind, where we can get a realistic number of airplanes moving on realistic trajectories with somewhat realistic ATC interaction. Its possible, and the competition has been doing it for decades.

Jan

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By: anthony_d https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8107 Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:44:21 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8107 Couple of questions:
1. If we have a situation where AI need to turn around at the end of the runway before taking off, is it worth adding AI taxi lines to facilitate a U-Turn, or is it worth leaving alone. Big planes in particular shoot off into all sorts of interesting tangents for their take-off run.
2. If we turn off AI altogether, are the taxi routes still autogenerated when loading scenery?

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By: Tonka https:/2013/12/airport-authoring-taxi-routes-help/#comment-8106 Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:10:04 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=5104#comment-8106 Have Laminar considered only allowing AI aircraft to take off and land from airport that have a custom built Taxi Route? It might prevent complaints about 747’s loading on top of the user, or loading at small airfields, it would decrease loading time, and it might promote end users to create Taxi Routes that could then be submitted for inclusion in the default sim data. It might make things better for the dodgy ATC too.

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