Comments on: X-Plane 11 Propeller Modeling https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Ce_Zeta https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16330 Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:57:21 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16330 In reply to Marshall arbitman.

Oh man. A marvellous stuff like X-plane only could be created by a sick person. A person with a disease called ‘PASSION for engineering’.

It’s a very rare disease…and in a high degree of confidence , especially if patients suffer this disease since a youth age, they are engineers.
There are no treatment available.

Flight Model is amazing, and this upgrades are marvellous, but in my opinion, there are secondary at this moment because only a few simmers will see it. Base customers have other priorities and other demands.
That’s a common symptom of the disease, focus in a very tiny engineering detail and forgot other areas not related with engineering.
I suffer it too, but in a minor degree than Austin who has very severe symptoms.

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By: Nathan Kim https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16290 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:34:19 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16290 This is my thought based on experiences as a ship propeller designer.

The swirl of the air is clearly the source of efficiency loss by energy waste but not a drag nor proportional to drag. It appears rather like a sort of constant deducted from the total energy which is wasted in accelerating the air flow.

With regard to the so called spiraling slipstream, there are many illustrations explaining vapour trails attached to the propeller blade tips as a sign of spiraling slipstream.

But, indeed they are just trace of propeller tip vortices visualized by condensation of vapour in the air due to the low pressure created at the tip vortex core. The tip vortices are stationary but because the plane moves forward it looks like it travell downstream and that is why such trail looks as if it penetrates any interfering structure on its way. Of course, some mass of air rotates together with propeller blades but the spiraling flow does not go so far downstream (the viscosity of air is very low) and then the slipstream gets almost aligned to the fuselage. Youtube search by ‘propeller spiraling slipstream’ will bring several videos showing how the actual slipstream flows by tufts on the fuselage of an RC plane.

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By: Ben Supnik https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16226 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:16:43 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16226 In reply to Nathan Kim.

Please file a bug.

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By: Nathan Kim https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16211 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 07:34:08 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16211 In reply to Nathan Kim.

Correction: it was beta 5 and second test flight seems to show the effect though I don’t know how strong it is in reality. My thanks to LR people for nice hard working!

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By: Nathan Kim https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16200 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:28:13 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16200 Updated to beta 4 and tried c172 in a clear calm (no wind at all) weather.
Unfortunately the plane seems lost the tendency of turning left or rolling opposite to propeller turning direction quite dramatically than before. Especially couldn’t see the rolling tendency during liftoff. Only saw the plane gradually drift left to the runway
Centreline without any roll.

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By: Mike Davis https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16168 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:54:22 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16168 Not to muddy up the water here, but I would expect different effects depending on the amount of “slip” the propeller(s) have with respect to the airstream and the effect of the residual propwash from adjacent propellers (2,3,4,5,6-blade). There are some hairy effects that engineers must encounter when deciding on how many blades, blade pitch and such. Consider the design changes over time of the C-130 props. airspeed….

Most of that is likely to be inconsequential with X-Plane modeling, but it’s a real world headache.

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By: Patrick Vollebregt https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16167 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:51:35 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16167 In reply to sgabriel.

I think it should be a yaw effect that is increased, not a roll effect.

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By: Robert Oates https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16166 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 10:53:01 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16166 This is over my head, but still … I do enjoy reading Austin’s posts!

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By: Douglas Strandberg https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16165 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 10:06:46 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16165 Very thankful for your interesting posts here, Austin! Thanks a bunch for providing us with the best flight sim!

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By: jose monteiro https:/2017/01/x-plane-11-propeller-modeling/#comment-16164 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 09:43:58 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7343#comment-16164 Very interesting.

I have to read carefully and put my neurons to work while doing so, to correctly understand what you’re considering to implement – but it looks promising as I and others ( Murmur, Andy Goldstein et al ) have long “complained” about less yaw due to prop effects and specially the asymmetric slipstream hitting different areas of the aircraft ( wings, tail, fuselage… ) then there should be, specially before the “torque bug” was finally solved thx to Murmur’s finding… Looking forward to test it in Beta 4. Thx for sharing your thoughts Austin!

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