Comments on: The most boring feature of X-Plane 11 – New Navdata https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:39:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Philipp Münzel https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17293 Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:39:30 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17293 In reply to dempsey.

Thanks. Fixed.

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By: DE Neely https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17290 Thu, 09 Feb 2017 04:57:45 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17290 Thanks for the explanation Phillipp, it looks like you’re positioning the sim Nav wise to be better off in the long run and that, is a good thing. Watching the discourse between folks over this has been interesting for a non dev, however, the writing was on the wall all the way back in December, when Ben posted

“One of my concerns about the public beta has been the number of aircraft I have seen that were developed or updated in the last year or two and yet use authoring techniques that were in the “obsolete but supported” bucket for X-Plane 10. The window of compatibility where we provide support for old and new features doesn’t help if people don’t migrate.”

Thats a pretty good reason why not budging on the change, may be a good thing, past practice shows it to be detrimental.

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By: dempsey https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17286 Thu, 09 Feb 2017 01:31:45 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17286 In reply to Philipp Münzel.

Yes, I get my airspaces from soaringweb. Just a correction, their URL is soaringweb.org.

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By: Marc Westhofen https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17285 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:27:38 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17285 In reply to Carlos Franklin.

Ehm, I just don’t get the point – maybe I missed something here. But I use the Flight Factor Boeing 767-300ER Pro every day in XP 11. The current version still uses the GNS430 folder.

All user action required to make the 767 work fine again is to create the now missing folder manually: “X-Plane 11\Custom Data\GNS430”

Then just edit the AIRAC data update tool to the new path and you are all set to go flying. It is even possible to simply copy that folder of XP10 to that path and all add-on birds depending on the GNS430 folder should run fine.

So what is it that LR should do to XP11?
Creating a folder is a 5 seconds job only and can easily be done by the user.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Marc

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By: Philipp Münzel https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17283 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:09:50 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17283 In reply to Steve.Wilson.

Since you have now opened the parallel email discussion, I will not comment on this in public.

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By: Steve.Wilson https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17282 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:40:20 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17282 In reply to Lionel Zamouth.

Philipp – You’re just being inexplicably stubborn. Adding the GNS430 folder back to X-Plane 11 has zero impact on LR, and on the rest of your brilliant new navigation efforts.

The fact is that if you don’t add the GNS430 folder back, you are basically showing that you do not care about the add-on developers that have to work around this deletion, and the hundreds, if not thousands of users that will now need to either deploy a questionable work-around themselves or seek an update to their product, which may or may not be available. I’ve already had to spend significant time with a client this morning, solving his installation issues that are a result of this very situation. If the human cost in time and aggravation are unimportant to you, then continue to resist. You’ve presented no good reason not to include the GNS430 folder, only a determination to not yield to simple logic and a zero cost correction.

Skewering my analogies is also not constructive. You know what I mean. Is the GNS430 navdata solution perfect? No! But it’s been out there for the better part of the X-Plane 10 run, and you have an ethical obligation to maintain it for a reasonable period of time. Give developers a chance to migrate away from using the GNS430 folder over a period of years, not months. What you’re basically doing is to suggest that it’s okay to pull the rug out from devs and customers. X-Plane 11 will be great, but it doesn’t need to be a significant hassle to developers and customers at the same time. Right now, it is just that.

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By: Philipp Münzel https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17281 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:37:06 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17281 In reply to Dempsey.

Custom airspaces in openair format can be installed into Custom Data/airspaces/ You can get them for example from soaringweb.org
We have no plans to introduce a different file format for airspaces.

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By: Philipp Münzel https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17279 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:26:37 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17279 In reply to Andrea.

The ARINCDecoder program is just a suggestion, there exist other tools in the industry to work with ARINC424 files for sure. Generating a user waypoint through the map is currently not implemented in XP11. You can however use the XP11 default FMC to generate user waypoints, that also causes a valid user_fix.dat to be generated that you can then work with.

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By: Dempsey https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17278 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:26:22 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17278 All great stuff and I have no problem getting updates from Navigraph for GNS430 and UFMC to stay compatible with V10 for the time being.

What I noticed is that there is no mention about airspaces. There is a airspaces folder under Default Data with USA airspaces, and I added an airspaces folder to Custom Data with airspaces data for Canada, etc..

Can you comment about what the correct way is to maintain airspaces, and what LR has in mind for that in the long run?

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By: Andrea https:/2017/02/the-most-boring-feature-of-x-plane-11-new-navdata/#comment-17275 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:27:05 +0000 http://xplanedev.wpengine.com/?p=7201#comment-17275 In reply to Philipp Münzel.

Thanks a lot for feedback Philipp. So user_fix.dat is created when a fix is edited using the map GUI in X-plane…to add other VRP I just have to use the ArincDocoder v4.4 then convert in X-Plane format using the convert 424toxp11 tool? I’m asking because in previous X-Plane version I worte a PHP parser to read data from official ENAV AIP to add the 417 VRP to the X-Plane dataset….adding those VRP manually one by one into the ArincDecoder should be a pain. Thanks again for feedback

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