If you also consider a level D (full flight) simulator, the graphics aren’t any better than X-Plane (most I’ve seen are actually a lot worse!), but that’s because pilots use them to learn how to correctly pilot an aircraft, rather than look at how realistic the outside world appears.

I guess it comes down to how you’re intending to use X-Plane… do you want it to be a game, or a simulator?

you guys have spent what 18+ months now and this its time give up and move on to XP12 and use another engine its clear Austins 20 year old engine is just not up to the task now with out nearly rewriting it all and the time and code you put in that could be better put in to basing XP12 off stock engine that already does every thing you want

this just getting silly now so your going to move over to Vulkan but not use any of the stuff in Vulkan that makes it better? why again im thinking because the of APPLE YOU REALLY REALLY NEED TO DUMP MAC its only holding things back and many devs have said they wont support metal any way on top of that Metal is a mess to start with still

face it Apple is not the place for the desktop sim just port Mobile over for the Mac and then move XP12 to linux/windows and use Unigine and save your selves 2+ years of work

great so itll run on the Mac but with no 3rd part support

there are other things they need work too not just the water lack of 3d trees, volumetric clouds, clouds effected by winds… scenery loads… weather loads…. VR issues… i mean just look at the things Unigine does out of the box with no extra code mean wile LR is hear re inventing the wheel thinking its the greatest thing ever

all of the this gets solved by going to an off the self engine and Unigine has already been using in hard core simulations putting XP’s flight model on top would not take that much work

YES they say the looked at this before but have they in the in the last year? and did the they look at Unigine?

“Ben literally had water tesselation working in early XP11, and writing a water shader is a damn near trivial thing. It is quite clear that there is work being done to XP to support more advanced water in the future i.e. Austin working on new water physics, Water DSFs obtaining rasterised DEM data for potential depth and bathymetry later.”

then where is it if its so easy over a year later? see what i mean engines ARE NOT easy and frankly XP12 should be clean break any way

Thanks for the reply, I know it hasn’t been patched for a long time!
A new plugin sounds interesting….and a learning experience 😉

No – we haven’t patched X-Plane 10 in years – it’s basically end-of-lifed. I think someone could make a plugin to download the weather from our new server and it would work in xp9 and 10.

From our sim itself, kind of. If the file is bad on disk, the installer might report an error trying to check for an update, but at least the log will tell you which file and you can delete it and try again. It would be nice in the future to have it re-download the file, but it’s really hard for us to test these features because we can’t easily re-create failing hard drives to test this case. If the file just has the wrong bytes for whatever reason, it will detect that.

It won’t help for third party scenery though.

Regardless, keep up the great work, X Plane just gets better and better.

Cheers

Dang this post is cringe.

“This is why you don’t roll your own engine in 2019”
“Unigine has everything you could ever want in already”

– I would like to see the $10k+ you are forking for a license to this engine, and also donating your time and resources to porting over 20 years of content to XP12

“still dont have water thats not a flat texture”

– Ben literally had water tesselation working in early XP11, and writing a water shader is a damn near trivial thing. It is quite clear that there is work being done to XP to support more advanced water in the future i.e. Austin working on new water physics, Water DSFs obtaining rasterised DEM data for potential depth and bathymetry later.

“If you bother to look on there website”
Yes, we can all read

Bottom line, the attitude here stinks. Constant suggestions that these companies like Nvidia or Outerra are going to do the work for Laminar for free, if they submit their code is just outright laughable.

Fix up and suggest something more productive to post here.