Comments on: Wake Turbulence https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/ Developer resources for the X-Plane flight simulator Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:03:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Coda https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41238 Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:03:27 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41238 What are the plans for regular turbulence? This is missing from the sim, and it’s incredibly important to model as we move towards parity with real-life aviation.
When one is in a light aircraft one needs to be more aware of what is on the ground approaching the threshold, the weather, and what time of day it is (is my flight path going to take me over patches of ground that are being differentially heated?).
There’s one field I used to fly into that had an allotment 20 yards from the threshold. There were patches of soil, vegetables, greenhouses, sheds. You needed to be real careful, keep speed at the upper range of your approach speed and get ready with the throttle just in case the plane suddenly lurches down (and it has happened to me).

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By: Christopher https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41045 Fri, 04 Mar 2022 20:29:00 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41045 In reply to Philipp Ringler.

If you send me an email, I’d be happy to share some papers that might be useful for the modeling.

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By: Philipp Ringler https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41044 Fri, 04 Mar 2022 13:36:36 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41044 In reply to Marco Ottaviano.

Correct, but almost no aircraft has a full span flap – the flaps are towards the root, so they do change the lift distribution away from the tip and towards the root.
Anyway, the AoA is simply a stand-in that is not used for the wake generated by the flightmodel aircraft – here we know the actual lift distribution! We know exactly how much the flaps contribute. But we don’t for an ADS-B target or a network aircraft. There we need to make a few educated guesses as to whether they are flying with flaps or not, and for network aircraft we can at least estimate the AoA because we know the body angle for the 3D model and can derive the vertical path from the 3D position over time.
Honestly, I think the effect is probably moot anyway given the low resolution of data we are likely to get for non-flightmodel aircraft. Live Traffic for example only supplies four different types of aircraft at all, one for each ICAO wake category, so every aircraft in the same category will leave exactly the same strength of wake. Which is probably fine for educational purposes – i.e. don’t fly a 172 through a wake left by a “heavy”. You are going to end up upside down, whether the wake was weakened a bit by the flaps or not.

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By: Marco Ottaviano https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41043 Thu, 03 Mar 2022 23:28:34 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41043 In reply to Philipp Ringler.

I checked the new wake turbulence datarefs, but I think AoA should not influence wake strength per se.

If lift, air density, TAS and wingspan are known, then you can derive an approximate wake strength (in the simplified hypothesis of elliptical lift distribution).

So, for example, full span flaps should not influence wake strength, even if they change wing AoA.

In real life, flaps do influence wake strength mostly because they’re usually not full span, so they shed additional vortices mid-span and divide the strength among more vortices.

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By: Philipp Ringler https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41042 Thu, 03 Mar 2022 15:56:25 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41042 In reply to Christopher.

I’m not sure what the decay is (that’s Austin territory) but I can tell you for sure that an extended Fowler flap does not leave its own sub-wakes at each end of the flap element. With flaps extension, the lift is generated by a bigger surface at a lower AoA, which lowers the overall wake intensity as you extend the flaps, but it does not create additional smaller wakes for the flap element in X-Plane. The condensation you see trailing the flaps is a particle effect, purely visual.

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By: Christopher https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41040 Thu, 03 Mar 2022 00:49:45 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41040 I’m curious if/how your are modeling the evolution and decay of the wake (viscous, turbulence-aided, or hydrodynamic instability driven). Also, are you modeling different wake characteristics based on wing loading? (e.g., a transport with flaps extended will have a wake with several pairs of counter-rotating vortices of various strengths)

I did a bunch of undergraduate and Master’s research on this topic, which is why I am particularly interested.

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By: Philipp Ringler https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41039 Wed, 02 Mar 2022 22:35:55 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41039 In reply to Marco Ottaviano.

(If you know the Kutta-Joukowski theorem) you forgot to say. 😉

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By: Marco Ottaviano https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41038 Wed, 02 Mar 2022 22:22:32 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41038 If it might be useful, the strength of wake turbulence is proportional to:

lift / (air density * TAS * wingspan);

(The formula above can be easily derived).

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By: Philipp Ringler https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41037 Wed, 02 Mar 2022 20:57:11 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41037 In reply to Ulrich.

Formation flying works the same as in real life, too: Try not to hit the other guys wake. We tested this with aerial refueling, which is definitely a form of formation flying. As long as you stay where the real plane stays when being refueled, you are clear of the wake of the tanker.

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By: Ulrich https:/2022/02/wake-turbulence/#comment-41036 Wed, 02 Mar 2022 17:51:45 +0000 https://developer.x-plane.com/?p=40435#comment-41036 I wonder: What will be the effects for formation flying (using identical planed)?
Also: Will wind blowing over mountain tops be modelled, too? Gibraltar airport would be a good example, for example.

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